|Verlorenhohle 114||0 + ?|
Good sketch of how to find it in Logbook Wed 11 Jul 2007 when Mark Doherty and Anthony Day found it (again) while looking for 115. Inserted here too:
This does not appear to be in the Austrians' Kataster.
AERW email 30 June 2020: The name Verlorenschacht was probably invented by me, and in the absence of the 1980 logbook, there is no real reason to believe it was a schacht, just something they thought worth a number in a year when we were making the effort to actually number stuff we found. It is _probably_ not (as you might hope) somewhere between 113 and 115, but it _might_ be ... There is something in that area that one steps over on a particular (probably obscure) route from one cave to another. I don't *think* it got a number but it *might* be 114. If that surmise is anywhere near, then it is between the Stogerweg and 113, rather than close to 115.
> But it is definitely not a "Schacht": more a horizontal scramble with a > couple of pits. [Philip] That doesn't sound like the thing in the 113 area I'm thinking of - that was at least a bit of a climb down at the entrance (enough not to venture in without at least a handline). Of course, if it was something on the Wildenseealm walk, then it is nowhere near 113/41/115.
The missing 1980 logbook really is critical to this one.
Philip Sargent email 1 July 2020 to Wookey:
> According to AERW it might or might not be the same cave, or be might > be remembering something else; but it is arguably in the right place > as at least two groups have found it while looking for 115 coming from > the path - and 113 is on the other (upper) side of the path - so it is > topologically between 113 and 115 even if not geometrically between 113 and 115. > > I say let's go for it and rub out the uncertainty. > Which means I had better write up a sketch survey for all 15m of it.
I've not followed the whole thread/saga, but at this stage I think this sounds reasonable. Almost anything would be an improvment and so long as we're reasonably sure that the original 114 is not marked as such in a way that might one day be noticed (and it seems unlikely that the 1980 logbook will surface at this point) any reasonable effort to get a cave in about the right place should suffice.