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Survex File: surface/1623/stoger
;NOTES > BBC:$.Survey.Surveys.Austria.Data.Stoger ;1998.05.29 AERW Added comments, refs, exports *begin Stogerweg *export pt1.0 pt1.33 pt1.p0 pt1.p1 pt1.p2 pt1.s pt1.p3 pt2.p3 pt2.p4 *export pt2.41a pt2.p32 pt3.0 pt3.5 87spur.0 87spur.5 1985.0 1985.q1 1985.q2 *export 1985.150 1985.151 1985.q3 1987.p0 1987.4 1987.8 1987.p2 1987y.mm ; Locn: SE flank Vord. Schwarzmooskogel, Western massif, Totes Gebirge, Austria *title "Surface surveys on Stogerweg" ; Source: converted from SU files by AERW 1995.08.01. ; updates to Datasets.OldData.Pre96data.41.stoger to 1996.01.07 ; updates to Datasets.1996data.41.stoger to 1996.03.21 ; latter appears to be just one line added to a much older version, ; so most of this is derived from the Pre96data version on 1998.01.23 ; ====== links between surveys in this file: ====== ; note that the equates linking these surveys have been put in the including file for ; the time being, until such time as the gross errors have been identified or these ; surveys replaced. Each of the drilled permanent stations is called Drilled.P0 (etc.) ; and stations from each survey are individually equated (or not, as required). *begin pt1 *title "Sonnenstrahlhohle (113) to Schnellzughöhle (115) surface survey" *date 1982.07.27 *team Insts Andy Dolby *team Tape Chas Butcher *team Notes Chas Butcher ;*team Notes in Chas Butcher's writing *instrument 30m Fibron tape and two staffs ; Suunto compass 949847, clino 214435 ; Calibration: none *ref "small black notebook with red spine in AndyW's archive" ; also transcribed into back of 1982 logbook ; ====== stations refindable to link to other surveys: ====== *export 0 ; pitch head bolt on wall above yawning chasm near "113" paint mark. ; NB this cannot be reached without SRTing off the bunde and is very ; exposed (start of underground survey) *export P0 ; drilled permanent station in accessible location west of entrance *export P1 ; permanent station on rock wall, 'cos we hadn't had one for a while *export P2 ; permanent station on rock at edge of path just before route up to 113 *export S ; permanent station in gulley below 1623/87 (orange paint triangle) *export P3 ; permanent station at corner on path between draughting slot in path ; (formerly incorrectly given a number - 88) and the start of the path ; down the hillside to 115. Station probably easier to find than either ; of those landmarks :-) ; each of these permanent stations was drilled with a spit, and painted in red, but the ; spit was not set in the hole. *export 33 P0 0 8.12 080. 00. ; P113 (formerly SONNEN) on pitch head bolt (exposed) 1 P0 3.71 341. -13. ; P0 drilled - easy to get to - on rock 1 2 6.61 240. -08. 3 2 24.50 070. +40. ; BACKSIGHT 3 4 27.09 218. -26. 5 4 27.65 042.5 +25. ; BACKSIGHT 5 6 26.56 178. -19.5 7 6 29.09 026. +45.5 ; BACKSIGHT. station 7 near cave 109. 7 8 30.21 185. -20.5 ; 1982 log indicates this bearing suspicious 9 8 28.42 000.5 +34. ; BACKSIGHT 9 P1 20.05 118. -17.5 ; P1 permanent station on rock wall 10 P1 5.23 058. -10.5 ; BACKSIGHT 10 11 20.60 199. -24. 12 11 8.18 309. +39. ; BACKSIGHT 12 13 11.28 246. +14.5 ; Onto Stogerweg - near paint mark 14 13 29.87 098. -08. ; BACKSIGHT 14 P2 30.60 261. -05. ; P2 Permanent station - East end of path 15 P2 28.07 064. +01.5 ; BACKSIGHT 15 16 22.90 259. -09.5 17 16 20.79 084.5 -11. ; BACKSIGHT 17 18 28.60 253.5 -11.5 19 18 27.58 102. +16. ; BACKSIGHT 19 S 3.80 273.5 -18. ; A0 on path in gully below 87 20 S 6.73 109. -43.5 ; BACKSIGHT 20 21 22.17 277. +10. 22 21 29.45 089. 00. ; BACKSIGHT 22 23 19.83 270. +17. 23 24 0.21 - Down 24 P3 3.35 015. -15. ; P3 drilled - between 88 & path to 115 25 P3 26.27 065.5 00. ; BACKSIGHT 25 26 21.45 251.5 +14. 27 26 29.15 063.5 +26.5 ; BACKSIGHT 27 28 24.59 160.5 -41.5 29 28 21.57 336. +42. ; BACKSIGHT 29 30 15.32 137.5 -39. 31 30 29.79 070.5 +13.5 ; BACKSIGHT 31 32 19.58 218. -02.5 32 33 12.23 004. +13. ; P115 on left in Schnellzug entrance. *end pt1 ; surveyors accidentally used some numbers again, hence different survey name ; note that original versions just put a few leading zeroes around instead... *begin pt2 *title "Stogerweg at 88 (87b) to Windloch (32) and Stellerweg (41) surface survey" *date 1982.08.02 *team unknown Andy Waddington *team unknown Pete Lancaster *instrument *team Tape Andy Waddington *team Tape Pete Lancaster ;*team Notes not traced yet... *team Photo Andy Waddington *instrument ; Calibration: none *ref "back of 1982 logbook, and data from AW's coding sheets (for punched cards)" ; ====== stations refindable to link to other surveys: ====== *export P3 ; permanent station at corner on path between draughting slot in path ; (formerly incorrectly given a number - 88) and the start of the path ; down the hillside to 115. Station probably easier to find than either ; of those landmarks :-) *export P4 ; permanent station on stogerweg at point where way goes up to 41 *export 41A ; station at entrance 41a, left side of main entrance *export P32 ; drilled station in wall directly above entrance to 1623/32 which ; is right next to the path and draughts (doesn't go). 30 P3 24.4 072. -01.5 ; BACKSIGHT. Stogerweg going West. 30 31 17.4 243. +03. 32 31 20.2 133. -33. ; BACKSIGHT 32 33 18.4 306. +30. 34 33 26.7 141. -34. ; BACKSIGHT 34 P4 8.8 284. +09. ; P4 drilled at route up to Stellerweg 35 P4 7.6 153. -43. ; BACKSIGHT 35 36 13.8 017. +18. 37 36 20.7 195. -22. ; BACKSIGHT 37 38 5.5 343. +34. 39 38 14.9 193. -18. ; BACKSIGHT 39 40 10.7 307. +27. 41 40 9.2 036. -15. ; BACKSIGHT 41 42 13.4 325. +31. 43 42 17.9 178. -17. ; BACKSIGHT 43 44 10.6 000. +30. 45 44 6.3 148. -30. ; BACKSIGHT 45 41A 6.9 050. +07. ; P41 on left, main entrance 41A 46 P4 14.6 082. -01. ; BACKSIGHT. On main path to car park. 46 47 21.9 296. +12. 48 47 23.9 056. +11. ; BACKSIGHT 48 49 22.8 221. -02. 49 P32 5.2 288. -02. ; Drilled station above Windloch. *end pt2 *begin pt3 *title "Stellerweg surface to get height of 41b entrance" *date 1982.08.19 ; Calibration: none *team Insts Mike Thomas *team Notes Pete Lancaster ; ====== stations refindable to link to other surveys: ====== *export 0 ; 41a entrance at left hand side *export 5 0 1 10.3 253. -01. 1 2 20.0 007. +42. 2 3 29.6 079. +12. 3 4 6.9 089. +06. 4 5 9.9 130. -41. ; 5 level of 1623/41b top closed contour ; Pete "about same level as red writing" ; Mike "a bit lower" *end pt3 *begin 87spur *title "Surface survey Stogerweg to 1623/87" *date 1980.07.31 *team Insts Mike Burgess *team Notes Andy Waddington *instrument unknown ; Calibration: none *ref " small black notebook with red spine in AndyW's archive" ; ====== stations refindable to link to other surveys: ====== *export 0 ; permanent station marked with orange paint triangle on path ; below gulley up to 87 entrance (Drilled.A0) *export 5 ; first (of several) bolts used for rigging, LHS of entrance 0 1 9.35 345. +28. 1 2 7.60 335. +21. 2 3 4.70 286. +45.5 3 4 3.65 340. +35. 4 5 11.20 334. +18. ; On 1st entrance bolt - left side of 87 *end 87spur *begin 1985 ; formerly "QA" survey ; Caves: 1623/150, 1623/151, 1623/152 *title "P3 to 152 via 150 + 151" *date 1985 ; probably 3rd or 4th August (deduced from undated one-line log ; write-up which seems to be day before 152 underground survey)) *team Insts Mike Martin ; don't trust *team Insts Caroline Smith ; don't trust *team Tape *team Notes ; Calibration: none *ref " three page photocopy of transcribed notes and calculations, AERW's archive" ; ====== stations refindable to link to other surveys: ====== *export 0 ; drilled station P3 (see above) *export 5a ; marked station in gulley below 87 (Drilled.A0) *export Q1 ; a drilled station, location unclear *export Q2 ; a drilled station, location unclear *export 150 ; entrance to 1623/150 *export 151 ; entrance to 1623/151 *export Q3 ; drilled station at entrance to Bananahöhle ;GRADE USE 3N 0 1 1.69 - Up 2 1 11.2 293.5 +11. ; AERW 1995.08.01 - highly suspicious of this leg 2 3 30.1 090. -02.5 4 3 17.11 262.5 -11.5 4 5 24.7 102. -22. ;5 5a 6.75 104.5 +03. ; note that 5a is supposed to equate to \Drilled.A0 ; if we connect the 1985 survey to P0 where it is supposed to go, then it looks very ; obvious on the CaveRot plan that the 5->5a leg is the wrong way round, try this: 5a 5 6.75 104.5 +03 6 5 24.05 274. -11. 6 7 19.79 082.5 +08. 8 7 14.26 241. -12. 8 9 30.1 084.5 -02. 10 9 24.15 226. -20. ; transcribed notes have bearing 22.6 10 11 28.63 086. -09. 12 11 24.46 271. +02. 12 13 26.66 093. -05. 14 13 20.21 280. +17. 14 15 30.35 070. -01. 16 15 16.7 251. -11. 16 17 30.5 049.5 +01.5 18 17 11.8 282. +08. 18 Q1 1.69 - Down 18 20 29.23 065. +07. 21 20 30.35 221.5 -11. 21 22 30.39 053.5 +08.5 22 23 15.12 139. +08. ; this is not what transcribed notes say, but it does ; make the loop close c 30m better, which is pretty convincing for it being 22->23 ; photocopy of notes says "we have fudged this a bit", but no clue how. Some suspicion ; seems to have been expressed over the bearing 139, but it does seem to fit OK 23 24 16.56 021. +29. 25 24 20.3 258. 00. 25 26 17.9 065. -00.5 26 Q2 1.69 - Down 27 25 30.6 175.5 -24. 27 28 30.6 008. +23. 29 28 29.55 188. -13.5 29 150 26.12 307. +28. 30 150 18.5 007.5 +04. 30 31 11.1 270. +27. 32 31 17.7 043. +17. 32 33 12.83 224. -23. 34 33 7.5 102. -42. 34 151 1.69 - Down 34 35 14.21 171.5 -16.5 36 35 6.44 337. +12. 36 Q3 4.45 139. -45. *end 1985 ; it became increasingly obvious that there were survey blunders, so resurveys ; were set in motion: *begin 1987 *title "From P0 = 113 cave to P2 : formerly 'PZ' survey" *date 1987 *team Insts M Martin *team Tape M Martin ;*team Notes "others in team , , , " *team Notes Keith *team Notes Ian *team Notes Chris *team Notes Jenny *instrument Clino 240641 ; Calibration: none *ref " handwritten calculation sheet with transcribed notes, AERW's archive" ; ====== stations refindable to link to other surveys: ====== *export P0 ; drilled station opposite 1623/113 pitch head *export 4 ; pencil marked point "MM" *export 8 ; point above 1623/109 entrance *export P1 ; drilled station part way down to Stogerweg *export P2 ; drilled station on Stogerweg where route for 113 leaves 1 P0 3.35 352.5 -07. 1 2 6.36 244.5 -06. ;3 2 24.65 069. 39.5 ; Modified to fit previous evidence ; comments don't say how modified, but email and paper chasing reveals that ; the original survey book said: From 3 to 2 24.65, 189, +39.5 ; an added note says that "compass is foresight, clino backsight". This supports ; idea that compass should be 009, which happens to give a much better closure: 3a 2 24.65 009.0 +39.5 ; ah... one photocopy of the calculation sheet has the foresight/backsight comment ; crossed out and "just totally wrong, should be somewhere around 069" ; so call that 3a and break the traverse - CaveRot suggests that the error is indeed ; in the section between P0 and "MM", but changing that bearing won't help - there ; is a big gap which suggests that a survey leg is too short somewhere, rather than ; at the wrong angle. 3 4 12.66 221.5 -24.5 ; 4 is point "MM" marked in pencil on rock ; examination of various CaveRot plots makes it seem that the next section is in ; fair agreement with other surveys, though the legs 7-8-9-10 look very odd 4 5 25.30 231. -23. 6 5 25.66 009. +19. 6 7 15.34 194.5 -18.5 7 8 14.08 044. -41. ; 8 above 109 entrance 8 9 14.12 184. -20.5 10 9 14.86 062. +04. 10 11 26.12 155. -54.5 11 12 8.19 133.5 -24.5 13 12 19.30 008.5 +20. 13 P1 18.60 164. -33. P1 14 1.62 - Up 14 15 7.00 222. -14.5 16 15 13.67 024. +24.5 16 17 11.59 185. -33. 18 17 6.03 064. -05. 18 19 27.78 268.5 +03. 20 19 17.36 104. -07. 20 21 17.62 252. -04. 21 P2 1.60 - Down *end 1987 *begin 1987Y ; formerly "PY" survey ; Caves: 1623/152, Bananahöhle *title "survey from P0 to Q3" *date 1987 *team Insts Mike Martin *team Tape Mike Martin *team Notes Keith *team Notes Jenny *team Notes Ian ;*team Notes "others in team Keith, Jenny, Ian" *instrument Compass 949847, Clino 726974 ; Calibration: none *ref " one loose page of transcribed figures in AERW's archive" ; ====== stations refindable to link to other surveys: ====== *export Q3 ; entrance of 1623/152 *export MM ; pencil marked "MM" from previous survey 1 Q3 5.60 139. -43. 1 2 7.90 262. -01. 3 2 8.10 340. +20. 3 4 19.06 286. +27. 5 4 5.17 047. -19. 5 6 22.08 250. 00. 7 6 28.73 198. -22. 7 8 8.74 353.5 +31. 9 8 26.73 120. -27.5 ; notes have clino +27.5 - error ; original notes: 9 to 8 backsight 120. 27.5 26.73 "Up limestone pavement" ; analysis led to conclusion that "Up" meant the survey (8->9) went up, ; rather than the leg as in 9->8 went up. Hence clino was -27.5 10 9 6.62 56. -07.5 10 11 15.95 221. -23.5 12 11 14.43 083.5 +10. 12 13 29.75 251. -12. 13 MM 17.56 336. +31. *end 1987Y *end Stogerweg ; FORMER PX survey now moved to file 41toBunt
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