Survey name Survey date QM name Grade Nearest station Resolution station ────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── inferno 2015.07.22 QM1 A inferno.5 Phreatic passage with floor trench at foot of Magic Glue. Little draught. cathedralchasm 2015.07.23 QM4 A cathedralchasm.12 Passage continues, traverse around pit needed icecock2 2015.07.24 QM1 A icecock2.8 continuation of passage, opens out drafting outward bipedal 2015.07.29 QM2 A bipedal.1 down huge hole, rocks fall for 2s and rattle for further 8!! These leads also noted in Bipedal Passage file. bipedalpassage3 2015.08.01 QM2 A bipedalpassage3.1 (cont'd from QM1) The second lead is a climb up and straight ahead. Rift is narrow but a promising lead and very drafty, could be major feature/rift. quality 2015.08.02 QM1 A quality.9 4m climb into large passage appearing to take wind anthemusa 2015.08.03 QM3 A anthemusa.12 Pitch hrv 2015.08.05 QM1 A hrv.3 2m climb on left; nearest-station may be bollocks because somebody didn't follow the template properly longdrop 2016.07.06 QM1 A longdrop.25 Yet more pitches that need to be dropped, roughly 80m? wrongway 2016.07.06 QM1 A wrongway.1 50m pitch northernstraight 2016.07.08 QM2 A northernstraight.28 passage ends as a window in an aven songoftheearth.part2 2016.07.11 QM1 A songoftheearth.part2.17 opening of rift approx 5m up in wall, 2m wide by 8m tall songoftheearth.part2 2016.07.11 QM2 A songoftheearth.part2.30 phreatic borehole 21m up on wall/slope, approx 5m diameter whatwouldyourmothersay 2016.07.12 QM2 A whatwouldyourmothersay.10 main continuation of rift passage round corner; heading ~ 225; bolted rope traverse required cathedralchasm2 2016.07.17 QM1 A cathedralchasm2.46 Traverse and pitch started by David to be finished at some point. keepsongiving 2016.07.18 QM1 A keepsongiving.21 P10 undescended in bottom of chamber but exact depth of pitch uncertain. drafts. keepsongiving 2016.07.18 QM2 A keepsongiving.27 P10-15 undescended on far side of traverse from block. probably goes to same place as stn21 a lead. drafts. nothingtosee 2017.07.25 QM1 A nothingtosee.15 unmeasurable pitch, est +100m [very likely a connection into Galactica] nothingtosee 2017.07.25 QM2 A nothingtosee.15 walking passage, sloping upward nothingtosee 2017.07.25 QM6 A nothingtosee.8 walking passage perpendicular to main passage nothingtosee 2017.07.25 QM7 A nothingtosee.13 crawling passage to the right secondwind 2017.08.07 QM1 A secondwind.18 Right hand pitch at base (station 18): ongoing pitch in small tube; wet secondwind 2017.08.07 QM2 A secondwind.27 Left hand pitch at base (station 27): ongoing 2m wide ramp (subsequently pushed to conclusion in second hand) secondwind 2017.08.07 QM5 A secondwind.5 From station 5 there is another hole (which probably drops to lower level), but traversing across may yield more passage; would need a bolt to reach lip then a further rising bolt traverse over void theloserlido 2017.08.07 QM1 A theloserlido.6 Phreatic ramp upwards ends in an aven dog_end_series 2017.08.08 QM1 A dog_end_series.9 wet muddy draughting pitch series continuing from station 9 onwards beckoning_silence 2017.08.09 QM2 A beckoning_silence.30 passage continues down climb. strongly draughting, echoey canyon 2017.08.13 QM2 A canyon.C16splay continuation of the meadering rift at depth, 15m pitch undropped canyon 2017.08.13 QM3 A canyon.C14splay phreatic tube after a 3m climb up on the left hand side hangman 2018.06.17 QM1 A hangman.4 5m x 8m window visible from pitch rebelay, 9m down pitch, accessible from a hang on far wall mudslope 2018.06.20 QM1 A mudslope.13 Hangryman Pitch continues from large ledge sluggish 2018.06.20 QM1 A sluggish.0 Continuation of rift to the north beyond the base of Sluggish Pitch, tricky to make progress, would needs traverses and climbs with rope but good draft FreeAttic_Flys 2018.07.15 QM1 A FreeAttic_Flys.4TT Bottom of Toto,facing SW is a continuation of a meander, which leads into crystal crumble, Here you can find really impressive stalagites The_second_coming 2018.07.17 QM4 A The_second_coming.23 large pitch beyond aven chamber The_second_coming 2018.07.17 QM5 A The_second_coming.23 traverse over large pitch into continuation of relict passage The_second_coming 2018.07.17 QM6 A The_second_coming.44 passage at head height heading back south The_second_coming 2018.07.17 QM7 A The_second_coming.47 walk through knee deep pool in lower level passage heading north, or bolt across if you want to stay dry wilfully_endangering_lives 2018.07.20 QM1 A wilfully_endangering_lives.10 pitch at end of rift to right of station 10 wilfully_endangering_lives 2018.07.20 QM2 A wilfully_endangering_lives.10 traverse over pitch at end of rift to right of station 10 Ulysses_to_Toto 2018.07.21 QM1 A Ulysses_to_Toto.1 Opposite side of survey stationone on the other side of Ulysses sits a very obvious railway sized phreatic passage. To get through to this passage will require a traverse and bolt climb up into it. Very large draft and very promising as slapys to the end of Ulysses chamber sits at23.163, whilst splay into the railway passage is 48.85 (slay name:1->1u), so passage estmated to be 26 metres in width. Ulysses_to_Toto 2018.07.21 QM2 A Ulysses_to_Toto.5 Passage sits behind the pitch bellow survey station 4. Would need to be bolted and dropped as falls in roughly 10-15 metres in depth. Promising meandering passage with minimal draft Ulysses_to_Toto 2018.07.21 QM5 A Ulysses_to_Toto.9 Small passage underneath a massive boulder choke but an extreamly large draft can be felt coming from said boulder choke. Whilst surveyed, it would need it be carefully crawld through in order to get into passage that sits behind, but again, needs someone who dosnt value there life to try it. Ulysses_to_Toto 2018.07.21 QM6 A Ulysses_to_Toto.15 Follows a meandering rift, roughly a metre in diametre and 2 metre in hieght, with anoth strong drafte flowing from station 15 to 14. Definatly worth exploring. myopia 2018.07.24 QM1 A myopia.10 big wet pitch myopia 2018.07.24 QM2 A myopia.10 horizental passage radiosilence 2018.07.26 QM1 A radiosilence.02 Continuing pitch, ~2s drop, sound of water, strong draft up pitch kublakhan 2018.08.02 QM5 A kublakhan.35 traverse in higher level passage to short section requiring roping (or very airy dodgy bridging) to reach further phreatic passage opposite. Draught into face. pitstop_4 2018.08.02 QM1 A pitstop_4.4 Small hole in the floor drafting best surveyed from point 4 on a marked boulder. On the left handside of the boulder choke. bigbastard 2018.08.03 QM1 A bigbastard.b pitch head with 3.8s drop (~70m) turnbacktime 2018.08.03 QM1 A turnbacktime.13 Pitch +30m down gardeningschool 2018.08.07 QM1 A gardeningschool.11 ~40m pitch - big hole lipstickdipstick 2019.07.17 QM1 A lipstickdipstick.8 steep ramp upwards lipstickdipstick 2019.07.17 QM4 A lipstickdipstick.17 p40? pitch darkartsiv 2015.07.11 QM4 B darkartsiv.5 wet pitch and aven tightyorkshireman 2015.07.24 QM1 B tightyorkshireman.9 p15 gosserwager 2015.07.28 QM2 B gosserwager.7 north end of parallel rift gosserwager 2015.07.28 QM3 B gosserwager.7 also north end of parallel rift kraken 2015.07.29 QM1 B kraken.9 ~10m pitch [downgraded from A after coming back with a better light] anthemusa 2015.08.03 QM1 B anthemusa.4 Pitch beneath boulders anthemusa 2015.08.03 QM2 B anthemusa.7 Ascending rift, no obvious draught hiltiaplentypitch 2015.08.03 QM5 B hiltiaplentypitch.22 short angled pitch, low pitch head bipedalpassage5 2015.08.04 QM1 B bipedalpassage5.4 rift continues, gets a bit narrow but might open up again bipedalpassage5 2015.08.04 QM2 B bipedalpassage5.5 climbs up where the water and narrow streamway enters the chamber hiltiaplentychamber 2015.08.05 QM1 B hiltiaplentychamber.13 Dodgy climb up, protection probably required hiltiaplentychamber 2015.08.05 QM2 B hiltiaplentychamber.16 Large pitch head approx 35m deep (3s drop + scatter) livingthedream 2016.06.30 QM3 B livingthedream.03 Tube heading downhill, fairly small livingthedream 2016.06.30 QM7 B livingthedream.08 Continuation of rift across pitch head (rope required), sound of water, probably ends up above QM 8 daftchoice 2016.07.02 QM9 B daftchoice.25 climb into ceiling at end of passage after pitch traverse daftchoice 2016.07.02 QM12 B daftchoice.20 where the aven water goes lobsterpot 2016.07.08 QM1 B lobsterpot.10 Possible phreatic ramp paralleling entry route at pitch head roundabout 2016.07.11 QM1 B roundabout.12 P10 undescended with water at base roundabout 2016.07.11 QM2 B roundabout.12 Continuing small phreatic passage above (and to the left) of the P10 cathedralchasm2 2016.07.17 QM2 B cathedralchasm2.24 Rift heading up to the right from chamber to be explored. lower_snakebite 2016.08.09 QM1 B lower_snakebite.10 p5, waterfall, probably just drops into song of the earth therestherub 2017.07.19 QM3 B therestherub.11 pitch down from LH end of HL tube galactica 2017.07.21 QM1 B galactica.20 17m deep drippy rift to right of pitches. nothingtosee 2017.07.25 QM9 B nothingtosee.10 small hole in roof mastercave 2017.07.26 QM1 B mastercave.4 small streamway drops down deep rift, muddy phreatic tube with sloped walls above rift, needs bolt traverse at the top of the rift to follow phreatic tube riggermortis 2017.08.06 QM5 B riggermortis.40 Up ramps theloserlido 2017.08.07 QM3 B theloserlido.21 Traverse around the left of the sump pool to investigated far end beckoning_silence 2017.08.09 QM1 B beckoning_silence.14 pitch on the right possibly descending back into rift which takes water beckoning_silence 2017.08.09 QM3 B beckoning_silence.24 AD: passage at top of climb; could also be accessed by traversing from pitch beckoning_silence 2017.08.09 QM4 B beckoning_silence.28 AD: climb up to west on corner naturecalls 2017.08.10 QM1 B naturecalls.10 20m+ drafting out pitch, wet canyon 2017.08.13 QM1 B canyon.C10 part way down the 35m pitch there is a ledge, possibly phreatic with the stream having cut down through it forming the pitch,the ledge possibly continuing at a higher level hangman 2018.06.17 QM2 B hangman.5 continuation of Hangman pitch, a large, wet pitch with possible interesting undercut blitzen_to_LiquidLuck 2018.07.13 QM1 B blitzen_to_LiquidLuck.2 After a roughly 2 m climb down, the passage spokes off to the left and slims down in size. Not very drafty but possibly links into the BBBBypass later on. blitzen_to_LiquidLuck 2018.07.13 QM2 B blitzen_to_LiquidLuck.4 When in Benign bubble baby bypass, facing the formation, to your right ight is an awkward look crawl. Whilst investigate, this crawl leads into a drop, roughly 15 metres and would potientially link into the blitsen boulovard canyon. The_second_coming 2018.07.17 QM1 B The_second_coming.3 short bolt climb to phreatic tube in roof The_second_coming 2018.07.17 QM3 B The_second_coming.23 pitch in floor on RHS of aven chamber; looks immature snagged_and_shagged 2018.07.18 QM1 B snagged_and_shagged.13 clean washed pitch about 20m no noticible draft hobnob_hallway_2 2018.07.19 QM2 B hobnob_hallway_2.14 upstream meander Ulysses_to_Toto 2018.07.21 QM3 B Ulysses_to_Toto.5 When facing the pitch bellow survey station 4, to your left with be a walking meandering passage, roughly a meter in width, with stable floor. minimal draft. kublakhan 2018.08.02 QM3 B kublakhan.33 rift with stream flowing away down it miraclemaze1 2018.08.02 QM1 B miraclemaze1.17 continuation of rift coconutchamber2 2018.08.03 QM1 B coconutchamber2.7 Wide dry rift, crumbly rock, needs gear coconutchamber3 2018.08.03 QM3 B coconutchamber3.14 Pitch down into rift (10m?), possible high level continuation turnbacktime 2018.08.03 QM2 B turnbacktime.13 rift on other side of pitch traverse lipstickdipstick 2019.07.17 QM2 B lipstickdipstick.16 easy climb up but needs a rope to protect lipstickdipstick 2019.07.17 QM3 B lipstickdipstick.15 p35+ but probably links to QM4 lipstickdipstick 2019.07.17 QM5 B lipstickdipstick.18 passage far side of pitch custardcavalry 2019.07.20 QM2 B custardcavalry.1 stream descends down small drops (approx 5m) in rift, good lead but wet drunkdrivers 2019.07.20 QM2 B drunkdrivers.9 4 to 5 bolt traverse in upward trending large rift wheresthemilk 2019.07.20 QM1 B wheresthemilk.5 upward trending rift, big, but needs bolts to climb darkartsiv 2015.07.11 QM1 C darkartsiv.1 aven at final chamber darkartsiv 2015.07.11 QM2 C darkartsiv.1 another aven at final chamber darkartsiv 2015.07.11 QM3 C darkartsiv.1 deathy hole in floor of final chamber inferno 2015.07.22 QM2 C inferno.6 Climb up to window - may simply connect to pitch below gosserwager 2015.07.28 QM1 C gosserwager.6 small but doable pitch 4-7 second rattle frozennorth3 2015.07.29 QM1 C frozennorth3.4 Hole with 2 passages continuing on other side bipedalpassage2 2015.08.03 QM1 C bipedalpassage2.46 narrow rift for small person with howling draft. Very close to Dark Arts 1 (< 10m) and at same level. hiltiaplentypitch 2015.08.03 QM2 C hiltiaplentypitch.6 phreatic horizontal crawl hiltiaplentypitch 2015.08.03 QM3 C hiltiaplentypitch.11 stooping upward tight passage swingers 2016.06.16 QM1 C swingers.1 small rift at top of 4m free climb. Takes water and too small for most people. Don't bother. livingthedream 2016.06.30 QM2 C livingthedream.01 Pile of rocks near bottom of Octopussy ramp - probably choked but should be checked livingthedream 2016.06.30 QM5 C livingthedream.06 Small hole, rocks thrown down QM 6 connect to here livingthedream 2016.06.30 QM6 C livingthedream.08 Short pitch at top of climb livingthedream 2016.06.30 QM9 C livingthedream.21 Two small holes very close together, presumed to join up, probably choked livingthedream 2016.06.30 QM12 C livingthedream.11 Tight crawl, likely to connect to other C leads daftchoice 2016.07.02 QM1 C daftchoice.3 small daftchoice 2016.07.02 QM2 C daftchoice.6 small daftchoice 2016.07.02 QM3 C daftchoice.9 small daftchoice 2016.07.02 QM4 C daftchoice.11 small p3 down daftchoice 2016.07.02 QM5 C daftchoice.29 small daftchoice 2016.07.02 QM13 C daftchoice.38 AD: Right at end, C lead on Tunnel survey daftchoice 2016.07.02 QM14 C daftchoice.38 AD: Right at end, C lead on Tunnel survey wrongway 2016.07.06 QM2 C wrongway.0 traverse over pitch, looks to close down, but cannot be certain lobsterpot 2016.07.08 QM2 C lobsterpot.10 Possible phreatic ramp on opposite side of pitch below rebelay. Very long bolt traverse required for access northernstraight 2016.07.08 QM1 C northernstraight.11 small crawl in RHW with mud floor kippercock 2016.07.09 QM1 C kippercock.04 Small hole to south of passage near start roundabout 2016.07.11 QM3 C roundabout.31 Base of aven/pitch, but survey shows this is 17m below Natural Highs traverse in Leeds Bypass. whatwouldyourmothersay 2016.07.12 QM1 C whatwouldyourmothersay.7 high level continuation of hading rift (possibly rejoins passage later whatwouldyourmothersay 2016.07.12 QM3 C whatwouldyourmothersay.7 smaller wet (sounding) contiuation of passage ~perpindicular to QM2A whatwouldyourmothersay 2016.07.12 QM5 C whatwouldyourmothersay.16 miserable stream canyon, possible water source of hole in wall in nochoiceatall Screamer 2016.07.18 QM2 C Screamer.30a undescended p6 longdrop2 2016.07.18 QM1 C longdrop2.10 Very bottom continues down around corner, fairly rubbish wet lead watertorture 2016.07.18 QM1 C watertorture.23 tube in floor on right allows squirm down to small stream in narrow rift that is too tight for more progress without lump hammer. hiltigalactica 2016.07.25 QM2 C hiltigalactica.9 Three small tight crawly leads off of the small sandy chamber as yet to be explored therestherub 2017.07.19 QM1 C therestherub.4 degenerating drafting crawl at top of thrutch up RH rift for small & determined therestherub 2017.07.19 QM2 C therestherub.5 increasingly arduous thrutch up degenerating LH rift hilti_nts_bones_pitch 2017.07.28 QM1 C hilti_nts_bones_pitch.4 The pitch looks to connect as an aven to Galactica hilti_nts_near_start 2017.07.28 QM1 C hilti_nts_near_start.6 Continuation of large pitch believed to link into Galactica riggermortis 2017.08.06 QM1 C riggermortis.48 Top of 4m climb riggermortis 2017.08.06 QM2 C riggermortis.45 Pit in floor riggermortis 2017.08.06 QM3 C riggermortis.44 Pit in floor riggermortis 2017.08.06 QM4 C riggermortis.43 Hole in ceiling riggermortis 2017.08.06 QM6 C riggermortis.38 Pit in floor riggermortis 2017.08.06 QM7 C riggermortis.51 Continuation of passage riggermortis 2017.08.06 QM8 C riggermortis.35 Wet 15m pitch riggermortis 2017.08.06 QM9 C riggermortis.34 Wet 12m pitch riggermortis 2017.08.06 QM10 C riggermortis.50 Wet inlet secondwind 2017.08.07 QM3 C secondwind.11 Hole in mid level between stations 11 and 11A; but probably above pitches subsequently pushed below secondwind 2017.08.07 QM4 C secondwind.9 There are three mud ramps into the midlevel (near stations 9 and 10); however, these are likely to connect to the level above where there are plenty of other holes that we did not drop theloserlido 2017.08.07 QM2 C theloserlido.3 Base of meandering rift disappears off, presumably a muddy oxbow dog_end_series 2017.08.08 QM2 C dog_end_series.4 muddy tube from station 4 ramp, shit unfathomablestupidity 2017.08.08 QM1 C unfathomablestupidity.4 strong draft and sound of rushing water coming from aven at the end of the meander, possibly worth bolt climbing but looks too tight. snailtrail 2018.06.19 QM1 C snailtrail.7 pitch below Snail Trail Traverse blitzen_to_LiquidLuck 2018.07.13 QM3 C blitzen_to_LiquidLuck.25b The Urinal is a fairly wet chamber, which is suspected to link into happy butterfly. West of the driping water inlet is a grotty, wet meander that would need crawling through. Dosent look nice... But could lead to a bigger water way. blitzen_to_LiquidLuck 2018.07.13 QM4 C blitzen_to_LiquidLuck.25b East of 25b is an aven that has a water inlet coming back into it. There is a strong possibilty that this is where happy butterfly could connect into Fish Face. The_second_coming 2018.07.17 QM2 C The_second_coming.21 pitch in floor leading to tight immature rift Ulysses_to_Toto 2018.07.21 QM4 C Ulysses_to_Toto.8 Decending rift with wall on one side that is boulder choky (South), decending wall (North). Could go but would need to be done by someone who dosnt value there life. ulysses_to_colericchamber 2018.07.24 QM2 C ulysses_to_colericchamber.6 To one side of the chamber is a tight rift, that has been reffered to as 'too-tight'. This leads to a large, echo'y space within sight. This is probably accessed via following the water below, but if the water goes elsewhere this is very worth checking out. A determined, brave, and thin individual could likely find a way through: although even this person may want a backup of some sort. kublakhan 2018.08.02 QM1 C kublakhan.5 straight ahead at crossroads opposite descent rope. Shitty crawl. kublakhan 2018.08.02 QM2 C kublakhan.alpha small sandy-floored crawl, inside loop of known cave. kublakhan 2018.08.02 QM4 C kublakhan.35 low sandy crawl in bottom of passage bigbastard 2018.08.03 QM2 C bigbastard.a tight climb/pitch down to opening coconutchamber3 2018.08.03 QM1 C coconutchamber3.12 Traverse across rift to small crawl on left coconutchamber3 2018.08.03 QM2 C coconutchamber3.12 Traverse across rift to small crawl straight ahead drunkdrivers 2019.07.20 QM1 C drunkdrivers.9 10-12m bolt climb to 3m phreatic circular hole heading up northhole 2015.07.24 QM1 D northhole.8 small sandy crawl out of ice pit, needs digging frozennorth4 2015.08.01 QM2 D frozennorth4.5 dodgy looking boulder choke, possibly digable bipedalpassage2 2015.08.03 QM2 D bipedalpassage2.47 not as drafty as C lead above; easy digging in sand. If choice suggest insert thin person into lead above. snowhole 2016.07.05 QM1 D snowhole.1 Vertical up snow plug!!!!! slackers7 2016.07.08 QM1 D slackers7.04 Muddy dig at top of phreatic ramp. secondhand 2017.08.09 QM1 D secondhand.1 base of main pitch is draughting boulders; through small hole access narrow rift filled with sediment (much less draught). All a very long term prospect! toto_to_crystalcrumble 2018.07.24 QM1 D toto_to_crystalcrumble.11 A widening to the meander about halfway below the way into Crystal Crumble and the floor. Leads back towards Toto at a lower level to the way into Crystal Crumble. Probably not worth pursuing, definitly not until the floor of Toto has been dropped (as somewhwere from there probably leads to here). mysterious_schlag 2017.07.27 QM1 E mysterious_schlag.3 very wet continuation of pitch, walls made of choss inferno 2015.07.22 QM4 X inferno.14 Aven entering Kraken chamber kraken 2015.07.29 QM3 X kraken.3 Aven entering high in roof bipedalpassage4 2015.08.01 QM2 X bipedalpassage4.50 Large aven comes in from above. Big bolting job not recommended. northhole2 2015.08.01 QM1 X northhole2.5 continuing aven climbs, handling would be helpful but not actually required. backfuture 2015.08.02 QM1 X backfuture.3 possible passage above CFN (15m up) quality 2015.08.02 QM2 X quality.4 Entry into pitch at top of side-stream/rift quality 2015.08.02 QM3 X quality.11 Various holes high in the roof quality 2015.08.02 QM4 X quality.6 Hole in wall about level of QB pitchhead in far wall above and to R of Back-tot-future rift. May go into space above Gob? anthemusa 2015.08.03 QM4 X anthemusa.4 Aven with water entering hiltiaplentypitch 2015.08.03 QM4 X hiltiaplentypitch.18 probably a solution pocket daftchoice 2016.07.02 QM11 X daftchoice.19 avenb climb, drippy wrongway 2016.07.06 QM3 X wrongway.4 Aven (added by AD from Tunnel survey) slackers4 2016.07.07 QM3 X slackers4.9 aven in fault above pitch lead 1 slackers6 2016.07.07 QM2 X slackers6.05 Aven to NW at pitch lead lobsterpot 2016.07.08 QM3 X lobsterpot.01 20+m high aven above stream inlet at base of pitch wrongcustard 2016.07.08 QM1 X wrongcustard.01 Aven above 12m pitch whatwouldyourmothersay 2016.07.12 QM4 X whatwouldyourmothersay.14 drippy aven, ~20 m to ceiling Screamer 2016.07.18 QM1 X Screamer.5 aven, drafting up therestherub 2017.07.19 QM5 X therestherub.12 AD: aven shown on plan snakecharmer2 2017.07.31 QM3 X snakecharmer2.1 Wet aven; possibly water from Camp Kraken snakecharmer3 2017.08.01 QM1 X snakecharmer3.31 aven climb, looks promising riggermortis 2017.08.06 QM11 X riggermortis.22 45+m aven toto_to_crystalcrumble 2018.07.24 QM2 X toto_to_crystalcrumble.10 The water flowing into Crystal Crumble almost certainly just flows along the rift from Liquid Luck. This really isn't worth pursuing. pitstop_4 2018.08.02 QM2 X pitstop_4.3 Aven above chamber, chamber could be dropped into from another lead, not a bolt climb